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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1371
- To: Info-Hams
-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Sun, 21 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1371
-
- Today's Topics:
- [Question] QSL route
- ANS-324 BULLETINS
- Dayton...again
- Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS!
- Emergency use of modified HT
- Hams on *The* Farm
- How do I contact Yaesu?
- Mag Mount Paint Damage
- Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
- packet-internet gateways
- RACES Bulletin #301
- Reaching ham-radio buffs in India
- WAS: ENGLAND PURGING MOR
- What's a trunked system?
-
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-
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-
- We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
- herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 19 Nov 93 03:10:50 GMT
- From: sinetnews!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!waseda-mail!wsdnws!wsdnws!63d048@rsch.wisc.edu
- Subject: [Question] QSL route
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- This is a list of stations which I made qso in
- 1991-1992 but I couldn't find QSL route. Please
- let me know if you have any info.
- A35MX
- A42A
- EA9EA
- FM6A
- H44IO
- HI3AB
- P40J
- PJ7A
- PJ9W
- PJ9X
- TI4CF
- TU4SR
- V31ZR
- V85HG
- VP2E
- YJ0AJU
- Z21HS
- ZD8DX
-
- thanks
- ----------
- --
- Hidekazu Noguchi
- E-mail:63d048@cfi.waseda.ac.jp Ham:7K1BWM
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 22 Nov 93 00:44:12 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: ANS-324 BULLETINS
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-324.01
- MORE DOVE TELEMETRY FORMATS
-
- HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 324.01 FROM AMSAT HQ
- SILVER SPRING, MD NOVEMBER 20, 1993
- TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT
- BID: $ANS-324.01
-
- NK6K Explains More Of DOVE's Telemetry Format
-
- The LSTAT line is sent by the loader portion of PHT (the loader/command/
- telemetry task). It purpose is to show the state of the software loader
- process so that if something goes wrong during upload, the DOVE ground
- command stations can tell what needs to be done to continue the process.
-
- The LSTAT line comes in two types, as shown below.
-
- I P:0xhhhh o:n l:nnnn f:nnnn, d:n st:n\
-
- A: 0xhhhh, P:0xhhhh, o:n l:nnnn f:nnnn, d:n st:n
-
- I - means there is no software load in progress (inactive)
-
- A: - means a software load is in progress (active). hhhh is the segment
- address of the program being loaded.
-
- P: - the segment of the running program (PHT). The initial load of PHT
- is always at 0x3000. Any other address here means PHT has been
- reloaded.
-
- o: - The number of times the HDLC output queue was full when PHT tried to
- send a frame. This is left over from debugging the only major bug
- found in the I/O drivers since launch. A bug occasionally caused
- a 65,535 byte frame to be sent, filling the output queue for nine
- minutes. This should always be zero.
-
- l: - The largest free memory block, in decimal paragraphs. To find the
- the number of free bytes in the largest block, multiply this number
- by 16. This number shows the largest program that can be loaded at
- that time.
-
- f: - The total amount of free memory, in decimal paragraphs.
-
- d: - The digipeat flag, 1 is digipeat on, 0 is digipeat off. (Will always
- be off for DOVE)
-
- st:- The task number of the last task loaded.
-
- [The AMSAT News Service (ANS) would like to thank Harold Price (NK6K) for
- this bulletin item.]
-
- /EX
- SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-324.02
- AMSAT OPS NET SCHEDULE
-
- HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 324.02 FROM AMSAT HQ
- SILVER SPRING, MD NOVEMBER 20, 1993
- TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT
- BID: $ANS-324.02
-
- Current AMSAT Operations Net Schedule For AO-13
-
- AMSAT Operations Nets are planned for the following times. Mode-B Nets
- are conducted on AO-13 on a downlink frequency of 145.950 MHz. If, at the
- start of the OPS Net, the frequency of 145.950 MHz is being used for a QSO,
- OPS Net enthusiasts are asked to move to the alternate frequency of 145.955
- MHz.
-
- Date UTC Mode Phs NCS Alt NCS
-
- 28-Nov-93 0230 B 39 WJ9F VE2LVC
- 12-Dec-93 0435 B 180 W9ODI WB6LLO
- 3-Jan-94 0200 B 160 WA5ZIB N7NQM
-
- Any stations with information on current events would be most welcomed.
- Also, those interested in discussing technical issues or who have questions
- about any particular aspect of OSCAR statellite operations, are encouraged
- to join the OPS Nets. In the unlikely event that either the Net Control
- Station (NCS) or the alternate NCS do not call on frequency, any
- participant is invited to act as the NCS.
-
- **************************************
-
- Slow Scan Television on AO-13
-
- SSTV sessions will be held on immediately after the OPS Nets a downlink
- on a Mode-B downlink frequency 145.960 MHz.
-
- /EX
- SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-324.03
- WEEKLY OSCAR STATUS REPORTS
-
- HR AMSAT NEWS SERVICE BULLETIN 324.03 FROM AMSAT HQ
- SILVER SPRING, MD NOVEMBER 20, 1993
- TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT
- BID: $ANS-324.03
-
- Weekly OSCAR Status Reports: 20-NOV-93
-
- AO-13: Current Transponder Operating Schedule:
- L QST *** AO-13 TRANSPONDER SCHEDULE *** 1993 Nov 15-Jan 31
- Mode-B : MA 0 to MA 95 ! / Eclipses, max
- Mode-B : MA 95 to MA 180 ! OFF Dec 07 - 24. < duration 136
- Mode-B : MA 180 to MA 218 ! \ minutes.
- Mode-S : MA 218 to MA 220 !<- S beacon only
- Mode-S : MA 220 to MA 230 !<- S transponder; B trsp. is OFF
- Mode-BS : MA 230 to MA 256 ! Blon/Blat 240/-5
- Omnis : MA 250 to MA 150 ! Move to attitude 180/0, Jan 31
- AO-13 will experience another partial solar eclipse on 1993 Dec 13 [Mon].
- It sees the Moon eclipse the Sun from 10:09 - 10:59 UTC with a maximum 53%
- obscuration at 1034 utc. This is Orbit #4211 MA 73-92. The encounter will
- be "visible" on the telemetry to stations throughout the USA and Japan.
- Reports would be appreciated. Stations who observed this spectacular
- eclipse of Nov 13 will know what to look for. Eclipses of sun by earth
- commence on Dec 07 [Tue] and continue until Dec 24 [Fri]. The eclipses are
- of course total. The maximum lasts 2 hours and 16 minutes, and is the
- longest AO-13 has ever experienced. The telemetry during these outages is
- very interesting, particularly the spacecraft temperatures; some reach
- -40 C. The Mode-B transponder will be OFF from MA 95 to 180 during this
- two week period. [G3RUH/DB2OS/VK5AGR]
-
- DOVE: TLM has been copied moderately well on 145.825 MHz, with much
- stronger signal levels on the S-band beacon. Please send any
- telemetry that you capture to PY2BJO at his INTERNET address of
- py2bjo@amsat.org. [W7IUV]
-
- AO-16: Operating normally. [WH6I]
-
- UO-22: Operating normally. [WH6I]
-
- LO-19: Operating normally. [WH6I]
-
- KO-23: Up and running. Busy as usual. There are a number of images.
- [WH6I]
-
- KO-25: File system is up but not open for uploads. It appears that the
- satellite has taken and EIS image, but it is not available. [WH6I]
-
- IO-26: Up and running with a lot of activity. [WH6I]
-
- FO-20: The FO-20 Mode JA period on the 17-18th of November provided strong
- downlink and beacon signals but only moderate activity during the
- passes that were visible. The following is the FO-20 operating
- schedule:
- Analog mode: 24-Nov-93 08:20 -to- 25-Nov-93 8:38 UTC
- 01-Dec-93 08:43 -to- 07-Dec-93 7:16 UTC
- 15-Dec-93 07:41 -to- 22-Dec-93 8:05 UTC
- Digital mode: otherwise noted above. In December, analog mode and
- digital mode will be ON alternately for a week, respectively.
- [W7IUV & JJ1WTK]
-
- RS-10: RS-10 has had excellent downlink signals, but only moderate activity
- during the last week. This bird produces more fun per pass than any
- other amateur satellite in orbit. [W7IUV]
-
- The AMSAT NEWS Service (ANS) is looking for volunteers to contribute weekly
- OSCAR status reports. If you have a favorite OSCAR which you work on a
- regular basis and would like to contribute to this bulletin, please send
- your observations to WD0HHU at his CompuServe address of 70524,2272, on
- INTERNET at wd0hhu@amsat.org, or to his local packet BBS in the Denver, CO
- area, WD0HHU @ W0LJF.#NECO.CO.USA.NOAM. Also, if you find that the current
- set of orbital elements are not generating the correct AOS/LOS times at
- your QTH, PLEASE INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. The information you
- provide will be of value to all OSCAR enthusiasts.
-
- /EX
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 21 Nov 1993 15:55:09 GMT
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!djw@ames.arpa
- Subject: Dayton...again
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I am planning a trip to the Dayton Hamvention.This will be my first
- time attending. Is there a contact such as a "Visitor's Bureau" or
- an organization or person that can give me some info/advice on
- obtaining lodging? It is my understanding that accomodations need
- to be booked early (read:soon!!). Any assistance will be appreciated.
- Thank You!! Dan-WA0JRD....
-
- E-Mail: djw@unlinfo.unl.edu
- OR post to the net if you will.....
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 22 Nov 93 00:11:12 GMT
- From: brunix!doorknob!sds@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Elmers are dead, god help us HAMS!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- >If you want to talk to someone on a repeater, just say so.
- >"Monitoring" means just that. Call CQ, or say "anyone wanna talk?" or
- >something like that if you just want someone to chat with; "monitoring"
- >does not mean "CQ".
-
- Hmm... from what I had heard, the convention was that "monitoring" was
- "I'm here to talk" and "CQ" was expressely verboten on VHF/UHF
- repeaters.
-
- I think that an ARRL pamphlet I saw on using repeaters echoed that
- sentiment.
-
- Is it just a regional/group/repeater difference?
-
- Scott Swanson - Scott_Swanson@brown.edu - n9sat
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 16:12:04 GMT
- From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!att-out!cbnewst!waco@ames.arpa
- Subject: Emergency use of modified HT
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- As to the argument whether the ham that used the HT on the sheriff's department
- frequency, here are the rules from Part 97:
-
- 97.403 Safety of life and protection of property
-
- No provision of these rules prevents the use of an amateur station of
- any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential
- communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human
- life and immediate protection of property when normal communication
- systems are not available.
-
- 97.405 Station in distress
-
- (a) No provision of these rules prevents the use of an amateur
- station in distress of any means at its disposal to attract attention,
- make knows its condition and location, and obtain assistance.
-
- (b) No provision of these rules prevents the use by a station, in the
- exceptional circumstances described in paragraph (a), of any means of
- radiocommunications at its disposal to assist a station in distress.
-
- So, it is certainly clear to me that the actual use of the HT is 100% legal
- according to the rules. However, the actual possession of the HT capable
- of transmitting out of band might be another story. Still, these two sections
- override any amateur band limits stated elsewhere in the rules. Not being
- a lawyer, I can only interpret the rules for what they say, not what some
- legal eagle might think they say.
-
- 73,
-
- John, WB9VGJ
-
- =========================================================
- John L. Broughton | snail mail: Room 1K-324
- AT&T | 1200 E. Warrenville Rd.
- | P.O. Box 3045
- | Naperville, IL 60566-7045
- | (708) 713-4319
- | e-mail: john.l.broughton@att.com
- | att!john.l.broughton
- | air mail: WB9VGJ
- =========================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 08:39:14 GMT
- From: olivea!pagesat!herald.indirect.com!bradf@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Hams on *The* Farm
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Going back about 15 years (or more!) I remember reading in
- Mother Earth News Magazine about a commune in Tennessee, called
- the Farm, and how they got involved in ham radio. Amateur radio
- was used as a hobby, but also for communications with members
- residing in Mexico. I think they had a regular net operation as well.
-
- I was just wondering if anybody else knew if the Farm still exists,
- and/or if there are still amateur operators still at work out there?
-
- 73
- --
- -= Brad Fisher =- (PPSEL) I'm just | SCINET Inc.
- internet: brad@bradf.tnet.com a | Tech Support
- -or- bradf@indirect.com wanna be | Scottsdale, AZ
- packet: N7XSS@KC7Y.AZ.USA.NA UNIX guru!| 602/991-3445
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 09:02:50 GMT
- From: olivea!pagesat!herald.indirect.com!bradf@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: How do I contact Yaesu?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- CONTRACTOR Steven G. Berman;WR-ALC/LKS (sberman@robins.af.mil) wrote:
- : I hate to be flip, but do you speak Japanese? That's the ONLY way
- : you'll ever speak to a Yaesu engineer.
-
- I hate when you're flip too :-) ... I've had very good communication
- with the tech support at Yaesu. Just bought a used 757GX with some
- medium grade problems that needed attention ... even though this is
- an old rig, they were *very* attentive to my needs for information
- and help. Even sent me a service manual with a *bill*! (no COD!).
-
- I can guarantee, you that my satisfaction with the performance of this
- rig aside ... I'll be buying Yaesu when it's time for that brand
- spankin' new rig ... cuz I know they'll take care of me if there's
- any problem.
- 73
- --
- -= Brad Fisher =- (PPSEL) I'm just | SCINET Inc.
- internet: brad@bradf.tnet.com a | Tech Support
- -or- bradf@indirect.com wanna be | Scottsdale, AZ
- packet: N7XSS@KC7Y.AZ.USA.NA UNIX guru!| 602/991-3445
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 20 Nov 93 21:18:19 PST
- From: news.mic.ucla.edu!kaleida.com!apple.com!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!csulb.edu!nic.csu.net!@@library.ucla.edu
- Subject: Mag Mount Paint Damage
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I notice that my two-meter mag mount is leaving rings on the paint of my
- trunk. Has anyone got any tips for preserving the paint and still using
- a mag mount?
-
- Please send e-mail. Thanks.
-
- David
- AB6XR
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 03:44:01 GMT
- From: mulvey!rich@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us) wrote:
- : In article <1993Nov16.043632.12907@icaen.uiowa.edu> drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze) writes:
- : >I've got a little question. I was tuning across the 80-meter novice subband
- : >tonight, and right at 3700kHz I noticed a QSO taking place at 20+ WPM. It
- : >was coming across S9+10 when everything else was coming across S6-7, and
- : >that combined with the fact that they both sounded like 0 call-signs makes
- : >me think that at least one of these guys might have been Iowans, and, at least
- : >with *my* equipment, this was the only part of 80 that sounded like it was
- : >reliably open at that time (I started hearing some other stations outside
- : >the novice subbands later--I was just looking for code copy).
- : > Now, for my question. (And, BTW, I'm not trying to condemn anybody's
- : >practice, call anybody a lid, or anything else--I'm genuinely curious.) What
- : >is the correct etiquette for running high-speed code in the Novice subbands?
- : >It wasn't anything big tonight, since even that area was uncrowded, but I'm
- : >just curious...the novice subbands are supposedly "training bands" (anything
- : >like training pants or training wheels? ;-) ;-) ;-) <- for the humour-impaired)
- : >for lowly Novices/Techs like me. If there's a big demand for them by novices/
- : >techs, should higher-class licenses QSY? *do* they QSY?
-
- : I'm assuming you couldn't copy their calls Doug, so I'm asking this
- : as a retorical question. Are you sure they *weren't* Novices? Some
- : people have a natural talent for high speed Morse, and little interest
- : in other aspects of amateur radio. I've known some Novices who could
- : bat along at really outrageous code speeds, but had no interest, or
- : in some cases professed no ability, to learn the technical material
- : required to upgrade their license class. Thus they were "stuck" in
- : the Novice segments. This so called idiot savant talent is rare, but
- : not so rare that you don't run across it ocasionally, especially with
- : purely mechanical talents such as Morse.
-
- : On the other hand, if neither of the stations were Novice, or coded Tech,
- : licensees, then the behavior *was* somewhat rude.
-
- I wouldn't say that. As a tech+ for a few months, I've spent all of
- my time running QRP-CW on 40 meters. It's all well and fine to crank
- along at 5-10WPM, but I'm MUCH more interested in having QSO's with
- higher-speed operators who push my limits and help me to increase my
- speed. Since I'm currently limited to the Novice bands, I find myself
- somewhat thankful for the 20wpm operators who actually take the time to
- help me, instead of letting me copy the mistakes of other newbies like
- myself. :-)
-
- - Rich
- --
- Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS Rochester, NY
- rich@mulvey.com "Ignorance should be painful."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 21 Nov 93 22:14:20 GMT
- From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!twright@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: packet-internet gateways
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- A while back someone posted a list of Packet to internet gateways.
- If anybody that has this list still in file would you please send it
- to me. A friend is setting up an org account viathe gates and needs
- the info.
-
- For KA4DRZ Buck
-
- de
-
- Tim Wright KD4OVM
-
- T.Wright@msuacad.morehead-st.edu
- --
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 21 Nov 93 17:34:15 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: RACES Bulletin #301
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Msgid : $RACESBUL.301
-
-
- TO: ALL ES, CD, AND PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTORS VIA AMATEUR RADIO
- INFO: ALL RACES OPERATORS IN CALIFORNIA
- INFO: ALL AMATEUR RADIO OPERATORS
- FROM: CA STATE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES (W6SIG@WA6NWE.CA)
- 2800 MEADOWVIEW RD., SACRAMENTO, CA 95832 916-262-1600
- LANDLINE BBS OPEN TO ALL 916-262-1657
- RACESBUL.301 RELEASE DATE: November 22, 1993
-
- SUBJECT: MGT - Team building - Part 1/3
-
- An official asks the questions: How and where do you recruit
- people? How do you do it for your organization?
- First, it was determined what paid staff position is
- responsible for the program. This is the person to whom the
- chief volunteer reports.
- Second, the agency appoints a volunteer as the program
- manager. Emphasis is on the word manager. Technical or radio
- operating competence is not paramount. Get someone who is too
- busy to do it alone; someone who readily delegates assignments
- and duties. Someone who builds a team in depth to create and
- maintain a viable service.
- Team and service are critical to any successful program. To
- treat the volunteers as a detached, outside, self-governing, on-
- call-only group is to invite problems that often lead to an early
- program dissolution for preventable reasons.
- (Continued in part 2 of 3)
- EOM
- Station Origination:W6WWW@KD6XZ.#NOCAL.USA.NA
-
- -----------------
- RACES Bulletins are archived on the Internet at ucsd.edu in hamradio/races
- and can be retrieved using FTP.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 19:11:43 GMT
- From: library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver.egr.uri.edu!ramli@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Reaching ham-radio buffs in India
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- (I originally posted this to rec.ham-radio before I became
- aware that it had renamed.)
-
- A friend of mine who is a member of the URI Ham Club
- wants to contact people in India via ham radio.
- He says that he has not been able to contact any
- one so far. If you have been able to talk to people
- in India, he will be delighted to hear from you.
-
- If you wish to respond, please send him email
- at:
-
- macinnes@ele.uri.edu (Craig MacInnes)
-
- Please do not respond to this account.
- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-
- Thanks in advance.
-
- Ramli.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 09 Nov 93 23:36:00 GMT
- From: munnari.oz.au!metro!sequoia!ultima!kralizec.zeta.org.au!ixgate!merv.james@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu
- Subject: WAS: ENGLAND PURGING MOR
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Original to: Jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.hawa
-
-
- h> Oh, gad - what have I done! Look, this was supposted to be a parady
- Jh> for those who twisted Morse code into Morris dancing last month.
- Jh> And I guess I have to flame myself for not knowing what the maypole
- Jh> REALLY represents. Sigh.
-
-
- Thrice round the maypole dances Miss Prism.
- Plainly not knowing its symbolism.
-
- Merv
-
- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
-
- --- TMail v1.31.5
- * Origin: Oracle PC-Network - Sth Aust HAM Support (08) 234-0791
- (3:800/804)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 22 Nov 93 00:27:07 GMT
- From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!odin!trier@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: What's a trunked system?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Every now and then, I see references to "trunked systems" popping up in
- the rec.radio.amateur groups. Just what is a trunked system?
-
- Thanks.
-
- Stephen
-
- --
- Stephen Trier KB8PWA "The light at the end of the tunnel
- Work: trier@ins.cwru.edu may be an oncoming dragon"
- Home: sct@po.cwru.edu - Unknown
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 18 Nov 1993 14:48:00 GMT
- From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!quad.wfunet.wfu.edu!ac!matthews@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <9311122339.AA02883@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov>, <753223500snx@llondel.demon.co.uk>, <CGK20J.5u5@alsys.com>ed-1.p
- Subject : Re: Abbreviating Dates
-
- Gary Morris @ignite (garym@alsys.com) wrote:
- : In <753223500snx@llondel.demon.co.uk> dave@llondel.demon.co.uk (David Hough) writes:
- : >>Abbreviated Countries where used
- : >>------------ ---------------------
- : >> 1993-12-15 Canada(French), Hungary, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Sweden,
- : >> Poland
- : >>Note: Doesn't Japan use something like the last format (above)?
-
- : This is the ISO standard date format, too bad more people don't use it.
- : It's unambigous and sorts nicely too.
- : --GaryM
-
- This, and variations leaving out the "-" and "19", are the only
- reasonable choices, because:
-
- 1. For the next 6 years most people unfamiliar with the notation will
- still interpret it correctly.
- 2. It sorts nicely.
- 3. As I just learned, it is the ISO standard.
-
- Using the three letter month field does not lend itself to sorting and
- is language dependent.
-
- --
- Rick Matthews matthews@wfunet.wfu.edu Ham radio:
- Wake Forest University 919-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP
- Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 919-759-6142 (FAX)
-
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- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1993 13:15:07 GMT
- From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@ames.arpa
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <1993Nov18.034401.1913@mulvey.com>, <19, <rohvm1.mah48d-191193073358@136.141.220.39>
- Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
- Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
-
- In article <rohvm1.mah48d-191193073358@136.141.220.39> rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) writes:
- >In article <1993Nov18.143557.3937@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us
- >(Gary Coffman) wrote, in part:
- >> . If *neither*
- >> party were Novice/Tech+ then I think it's rude for them to occupy
- >> the tiny band segment allocated to N/T when they have plenty of
- >> alternative space available. However, if *either* of the parties
- >> were N/T, then they were obviously in the right place since the
- >> N/T *couldn't* operate anywhere else.
- >
- >With the current callsign structure it can be difficult to know when you're
- >calling a novice/tech+. I've got a 1 x 3 callsign, just like a tech+, but
- >have had an Extra ticket for 25 years. As a result, when I operate in the
- >novice bands, I tend to answer CQ's from people sending 10 wpm or less,
- >just to avoid the problem of two higher-class licensees cluttering the
- >limited space available to the novice/techs. Problem is, this
- >discriminates against those novice/techs looking for a higher speed QSO.
- >Dare I run the risk of being rude, Gary, and answer an N-XXX call sending
- >CQ at 20 wpm? :-) Seriously, we all ought to drop by the novice bands to
- >chat (with _them_, of course), and not isolate them.
-
- Abosolutely, I agree that we should drop by the N/T segments often and
- offer a friendly hand. I also understand it isn't always possible to
- recognize that another station may be other than N/T by callsign. I'm
- just suggesting that we shouldn't deliberately try to make non-N/T contacts
- in their segments. If it happens, well it happens, but it shouldn't be our
- intent to usurp their band segments for contacts between higher class
- stations.
-
- Gary
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